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The Martial Arts Curator Forum :: General :: General Martial Arts Discussion :: Bunkai with OOMPH Author Topic: Bunkai with OOMPH (Read 675 times) supergroup7 Associate Curator 1st Dan member is offline Associate Curator Joined: Nov 2005 Gender: Female Posts: 353 Location: Canada Bunkai with OOMPH « Thread Started on Jun 15, 2007, 8:00pm » Alright.. I just saw a Shotokan demonstration done by 4 Black belts at the Shobu Ippon International Tournament. Take a look see: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6LJJ49MK3-E I can see how the power is there.. but at the same time it's not. Does one have to find a way to move "differently" to be able to demonstrate a lethal move without harming their Uke demonstration partner? Does the Uke need to "pretend" that they were struck with full power to allow the bunkai to proceed in the proper direction? For example, One doesn't truly want to spearhand the Uke in the eyes. Yet, if the demonstration includes a two fingered spearhand to the eyes, would the Uke then raise their hands, and cover their eyes as if they were in sudden pain, and bend their head forwards slightly? « Last Edit: Jun 15, 2007, 8:04pm by supergroup7 » Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged Just doing my best. Will Senn Visitor San Kyu member is offline Joined: May 2006 Posts: 38 Location: Texas, of course Re: Bunkai with OOMPH « Reply #1 on Jun 15, 2007, 8:54pm » Good stuff, the four are talented, both tori and uke - no doubt about it. It was very well coreographed and executed. In answer to your questions, yes and yes. The tori must vary the strike in order to prevent injury and the uke must respond as though they were struck even though they weren't. I thought the demonstration was great, some of it a little far fetched, like when he jump kicked off the fallen guy - not likely. It would probably wind up being a jump/stumble kick as he squished the guy on the ground by stepping on him. That is unless the defender happens to be fighting against four advanced blackbelts in the alley.... Also, clearly and most obviously, folks really don't take turns attacking when they have a numerical advantage. When I've done one versus many, it has always been a chaotic melee and generally a losing proposition - most assuredly so when it's been against a group of advanced black belts. Still, all in all, the demonstration was excellent. Will Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged supergroup7 Associate Curator 1st Dan member is offline Associate Curator Joined: Nov 2005 Gender: Female Posts: 353 Location: Canada Re: Bunkai with OOMPH « Reply #2 on Jun 19, 2007, 2:53am » I'm guessing that the Uke's response to the various attacks help initiate, or explain the necessity for the next moves. What I like about that demonstration is that it went into the three levels of defense/ attack.. on the ground, normal walking, and then jumping high up. Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged Just doing my best. Colin Wee Executive Curator 4th Dan member is offline Joined: Feb 2004 Gender: Male Posts: 696 Location: Perth, Western Australia Re: Bunkai with OOMPH « Reply #3 on Jun 21, 2007, 2:27pm » Nice event. But totally contrived. I don't know how much value I'd put on something like this. As Will says when you're descended upon, it's an all out melee. In such a case, you'd be fighting differently. But as demos go... not to bad. Colin Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged -- Colin Wee has been practising since 1983 and holds black belt ranks in two martial arts. Colin is Chief Instructor of HRGB http://www.hikarudojo.com, located in W. Australia. Colin champions a great WSD program and TKD 'bunkai' research http://traditionaltaekwondo.blogspot.com. IAOMAS member and MLCA Affiliate. Visit me: http://www.colinwee.com. supergroup7 Associate Curator 1st Dan member is offline Associate Curator Joined: Nov 2005 Gender: Female Posts: 353 Location: Canada Re: Bunkai with OOMPH « Reply #4 on May 11, 2008, 8:55pm » You know, Colin, I read your response here on this thread last year, and what you said went over my head. Today, as I was browsing this forum, I read your comment "As Will says when you're descended upon, it's an all out melee. In such a case, you'd be fighting differently.", and suddenly it's like a light went on in my brain. OF course! I'd be fighting differently!!!! There would be a totally different action happening. I'd be trying to get out of the center of the attacks, and head for the side. I'd be trying to make them get in each other's way. I'd have a totally different strategy happening. It would be more mayhem, and chaos. I know that I wouldn't go for head high kicks, but I'd stick with lower kicks to keep my feet as close to the ground as possible. I doubt that I'd want to go down on the ground unless I felt that it was absolutely necessary. Now, I can understand that this demonstration was a very awesome one of the skills of these performers, but that it's goal was not about teaching me what to do if ever accosted by three attackers. Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged Just doing my best. Colin Wee Executive Curator 4th Dan member is offline Joined: Feb 2004 Gender: Male Posts: 696 Location: Perth, Western Australia Re: Bunkai with OOMPH « Reply #5 on Jul 21, 2008, 8:50pm » I should not be too critical of the demo. Indeed there is great value to be had from watching the content you have indicated. And not least being it was enjoyable to see such quality. Colin Link to Post - Back to Top   Logged -- Colin Wee has been practising since 1983 and holds black belt ranks in two martial arts. Colin is Chief Instructor of HRGB http://www.hikarudojo.com, located in W. Australia. 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