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Post by supergroup7 on Apr 4, 2006 23:52:40 GMT 8
It is her training that requires her to call you Sifu
Colin is so correct here! It is my training that places an inner desire to recognize your role as someone who is helping me walk higher on my path by addressing you with a the word "Sifu", "Sensei", or "Sabohnim", or "Sempai". I think that this word has a double edged effect because it reminds the person address with it that they have a responsibility to help the other person. That is why I ask my children to call me "Mom" instead of "Mireille".. it expresses the responsibility that we have towards each other.
I'd be more than willing to call you by your first name, Ron.
Colin has asked me to do so, and I'm comfortable with that. I'd like it known that I have no less respect, admiration, and gratitude for the help I have received from Colin just because we address each other in a friendly tone. I'd just as quickly call him Renshi, or Sabohnim if he requests it.
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Post by Ron Goninan on Apr 5, 2006 8:57:49 GMT 8
I don't wish to disturb your training and the ethics it has produced in you. I respect that highly.
I just am not one for titles and rank. It makes me feel uncomfortable when soemone addresses me by a title. I prefer my name above anything else.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts which I respect
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Post by Colin Wee on Apr 5, 2006 14:33:05 GMT 8
Colin is so correct here! It is my training that places an inner desire to recognize your role as someone who is helping me walk higher on my path by addressing you It is the same with me, Mir. :-) Colin
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Post by timposynick on Apr 5, 2006 15:09:48 GMT 8
Well now that we all on a first name basis...cool but anyone calls me Timmy and i'll pay you a personal vist kidding Kata..Hyung..Tull..Kuen..Poomse so many names for one fantastic invention it is too bad that todays combat atheletes don't recognize more the benefits that the masters gave them from the formation of patterns. Althought the ancient Greeks didn't have formal patterns per-say in Pankration, they did have set practise routines or rehearsed routines thet they used to develop their competition abilities, much like the Brazillian Ju-jitsu stylists of today. One could call these combat kata. Many free-style systems have similar forms today. Patterns are the essence of personal developement in my opinion, in any style. Through this vessel the student comes into their own martial being. developing not only the systemized routines for passing grades but also their personal cadence in movement from one technique into the next. Each student looking similar and yet developing their own uniqueness. Patterns not only develop balance accuracy, timing, focus, breathing, body dynamics, tendon strength, coordination, they also develop personality, confidence, control, discipline, respect, humility, and integrity. Patterns are the moving menu if you will of the syllabus of the style. One mearly need study the patterns of a system and you will see 80 to 90% of the applicable tehniques used by that style. In some styles/systems it is more subtle in the patterns but if you study them long enough they are there. This is where the instructor's role is essential in teaching patterns. At first it is just a systemized set of moves to show basic technique combinations and to learn to move in stances combining blocks, punches and kicks. Later it becomes a guidebook or encyclopedia from which the student can arrange and re-arrange a plethora of combination of technique to be used in self-defense. In my system the patterns are essential because the techniques demonstrated in the pattern are exactly the techniques that we use for street-oriented self-defense. I have kept some traditional ellements and some classical techniques, to add depth and flavour, also in the higher rank patterns there are the ellements of jumping techniques for added body dynamics, and kicking strength. It is taught at all times to my students that the reasoning behind training high kicks, or intensified hand strikes, is to increase the body's natural ability to recall that dynamic strength faster each time it is called upon in self-defense. So if the body is used to kicking over the head at high speeds with intense power then, on the street when the kick is applied to the legs or groin, the more direct targets, the dynamic energy trained previously can be recalled for that situation instantly. this is a large part of our approach to platterns as well. Though we look like a kick-boxing school that wears uniforms and uses belts, when you first observe our routines. After you delve into our patterns you will see the methodology of our approach. whew! glad i got that off my chest okay time for a bowl of ice cream T
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Post by GM-Neal on Apr 7, 2006 7:45:54 GMT 8
Well Ron it is good to see you hear spreading your "No titles and ranks" ;D.. We that have spent years and years calling someone who out ranks us, by Master, Sensei is done out of respect, and honor. no one person can change the Martial arts, there is a lot of history in the Men & Women who hold those titles & Ranks, we should not put them down, just because they give respect where respect is due. Even in your own ranking system I see you have a Master Level.
Mike.. ;D
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Post by supergroup7 on Apr 9, 2006 2:12:37 GMT 8
You sure do deserve that bowl of ice cream, Tim. That was a mouthful!
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Post by Ron Goninan on Apr 9, 2006 9:14:44 GMT 8
GM Neal wrote: Thanks for your post. For the record, I am not trying to "change" the Martial Arts. I am simply stating quite clearly and concisely a personal view as it works for me. Nor sir, was I putting anyone "down" for holding true to their own personal beliefs. Yes we have a so-called "Masters Level" but to be brutally honest non of my students give a d**n about it!!! You see they are far too focussed on the art, learning, exploration and making their own personal discoveries to be concerned about such silly things! Lastly, none of us would intentionally call ourselves ("GM" - "Grandmaster" ... that would be self-glorifying and smacks of ego in my humble opinion ... but then what would I know .
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Post by GM-Neal on Apr 9, 2006 12:00:13 GMT 8
;D Now, Now Just Kidding around with you Ron see my other post in the area "How important is Rank & Title to you"
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Post by Colin Wee on Apr 9, 2006 14:03:33 GMT 8
Lastly, none of us would intentionally call ourselves ("GM" - "Grandmaster" ... that would be self-glorifying and smacks of ego in my humble opinion ... but then what would I know . Ron, please. You've got your smileys in the right place but you're out of line. GM Neal has been impeccable on our forum, and he deserves respect, not just for his rank but for his time here and for the sharing of his knowledge. Grandmaster for your information is a rank typically bestowed by an organisation, not by oneself. From what I see, GM Neal has earned this rank and irrespective of what you think it smacks of, I think you better apologize. Colin
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Post by Ron Goninan on Apr 9, 2006 16:27:54 GMT 8
Okay settle petal, I apologize. I'm sure Mike did not take offence did you Mike? I mean no disrespect to anyone but I still feel that rank and title is not important nor is the need to attach them after one's name. Colin, I too hold certian ranks (You would be surprised to know ... I'd be honest enough to share same with you via e-mail or PM provided you kept it to yourself ... lets just say Mike is not the only one! which I can assure you I 've earned through years of blood, sweat, tears and sacrifice .... I just don't push them
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Post by Colin Wee on Apr 9, 2006 20:38:34 GMT 8
This forum does not focus on these issues. I do not focus on these issues. You don't have to convince me.
Colin
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Post by GM-Neal on Apr 10, 2006 8:00:35 GMT 8
Colin, That is a good way to look at it, a Job Title . like a C.E.O. Of the art, ;D.. Oh boy that might give someone another title to use, and we have so many now ;D ;D Mike
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Post by GM-Neal on Apr 10, 2006 8:03:55 GMT 8
;D No Offense taken at all Ron .
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Post by Colin Wee on Apr 10, 2006 11:23:20 GMT 8
Colin, That is a good way to look at it, a Job Title . like a C.E.O. Of the art, ;D.. Oh boy that might give someone another title to use, and we have so many now ;D ;D Mike It's a healthy way to look at it. Why not have pride in being a Director, even of a small company? It puts things into perspective. Colin
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Post by supergroup7 on Jun 19, 2006 2:56:35 GMT 8
Patterns are the essence of personal developement in my opinion, in any style.
I agree, Tim. I've seen how the pattern performed by a person shows their individuality, their personal progress physically, mentally, and also spiritually. It's amazing how much is captured by those few moments of movement!
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