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Post by Will Senn on May 26, 2006 0:06:30 GMT 8
This is a philosophical question, really. Are there rules in art? Be that as it may, I don't know your particular art, so I can't say whether your art has a rule against grabbing. Check with an advanced degree blackbelt in your discipline. Generally, if your peers are participating in tournaments, then you will be bound by the tournament rules. However, if they don't then the rules will be more flexible and might be unstated. Again, the upper degree blackbelts should have a definitive answer on that front.
To my mind, it is critical to at least experiment with grabs - both offensively and defensively, especially on the art side of martial art. Otherwise, you've been duped and will probably be blindsided in the future.
As for his 'holding and not attacking', are you sure? Perhaps he was doing something purely for your benefit? Regardless, if he was able to limit your mobility, it was effective to that extent and you would be well advised to contemplate counters.
Depending on rules, you might consider knee strikes, groin strikes, etc.
-will
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Post by supergroup7 on Jun 1, 2006 6:47:09 GMT 8
As for his 'holding and not attacking', are you sure? Perhaps he was doing something purely for your benefit?
Well.. I would block his oncoming strike, and his hand would grab onto the sleeve of my blocking arm. Then, he would keep holding onto the sleeve making it difficult for me to change my position, or attack. He didn't send any other technique at me. At first I reacted by trying to break the hold, get free, get distance, and attack.. but he'd grab whatever cloth came within his reach: shoulder, sleeve.. whatever.
I don't know if this was for my benefit. It wasn't like he was suggesting anything as he grabbed onto me. I got the impression that this was just "normal" for him. Like I've said before, I'm not used to that sort of thing happening in my dojo, so I wondered how to handle it. Thank you for your suggestions.
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Post by Colin Wee on Jun 1, 2006 9:23:33 GMT 8
so I wondered how to handle it. Thank you for your suggestions. Maybe you should get a partner to do that with you a couple of times and you can get to try different things out? If you take a look at your kata, you can try to look out for the large circular moves and then look at the preceeding and proceeding moves for inspiration. Or moves that require you to drop and perform something to the same level. Do them slowly with the partner - there's potential for serious injuries here. Colin
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Post by supergroup7 on Jun 5, 2006 23:02:03 GMT 8
"Do them slowly with the partner - there's potential for serious injuries here. "
Ha ha ha.... I wonder who would be willing to be my partner as I work this out if I inform them that there is potential for serious injury. Ha ha ha..
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Post by sbwright on Jun 6, 2006 5:45:28 GMT 8
If this gentleman has a tendancy to grab and you know he's going to attempt it, set him up. Bait him with a hand technique and launch a leg strike at him.
Alternatively attack the grabbing arm.
I think it is good having someone grab you in sparing, it freaks you out the first time as your brain overloads on which technique to use ("we haven't done this in training!!!").
In sparing we sometimes go further by having a third person float around and and bear hug the participants. After 2-3 rd go your awareness has increased and you react almost instantly by touch sensation. This really tests out those self defense moves
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Post by supergroup7 on Jun 19, 2006 2:44:13 GMT 8
"..., set him up. Bait him with a hand technique and launch a leg strike at him."
I gotta smile at the simplicity of this! Thank you. In other words, use what he considers to be a strength, turn it around, and make it his weakness.. :-)
I think it is good having someone grab you in sparing, it freaks you out the first time as your brain overloads on which technique to use ("we haven't done this in training!!!").
YES! that is exactly what happened to me mentally, and I realized that "yes.. on the street it is possible that they would grab my clothing first.." There is a feeling of "Hey! Let go! You are invading my space.. that is my shirt you have there.. MINE!" that passes through you and puts you into a feeling of "pause". I really felt that I could learn alot of having more experiences like this in my training.
"In sparing we sometimes go further by having a third person float around and and bear hug the participants. After 2-3 rd go your awareness has increased and you react almost instantly by touch sensation. This really tests out those self defense moves "
Does the third person just randomly pick someone to bear hug.. and does this allow the attacker the priviledge of taking advantage that the other person is being hugged? Thereby moving in quickly to simulate what would happen in a self-defense situation?
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Post by Guro Cory on Dec 22, 2006 3:42:09 GMT 8
Okay here's my response to "Grabbing" it's refferred to as "stand-up grappling" or trapping...It's very common in Jeet Kune Do/ Wing Chun... many school teach this method when sparring.. i know in sport competition its probably considered cheating etc.. but if done properly its very effective..
what one needs to do to learn to counter these is the counters to trapping.. Ie. lop sao, pak sao, huen sao, etc... if your into the chinese arts you'll understand the terminology here.. otherwise go online and google some of these references from wing Chun or Jeet Kune DO as "trapping" and try to see it.
If your in INDIANA and your looking to learn this i'd be glad to set something up and come in and share with you.
hope i can help you out more, if so please let meknow..
Its not a bad thing to "cross train" from your style into another one...
many traditionalist tend to think so.. but in reality its no different then in school learning math, science, history, etc... we've been cross training our minds for along time.. why should martial arts be any different.
thank you guro cory
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Post by sifuwhite on Dec 22, 2006 21:24:54 GMT 8
Trapping is a good thing, I teach it as well. You are correct in the statement that Trapping is a science. You have to be good at it to do it. However, grabbing in itself is to a science in that you can not afford to telegraph or give it was before you do it. To be successful at grabbing you really have to have the element of surprise on your side, or be totally aggressive to make it work.
Sifu White
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Post by Colin Wee on Apr 19, 2007 10:12:58 GMT 8
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Post by supergroup7 on May 14, 2007 11:49:26 GMT 8
Gosh I'm slow on the uptake on this thread.
I would be honored to come and learn about trapping from you Guro Cory if I'm ever in Indiana. At this point in my life I'm quite locked into my home.. no travelling hopes for little me, but who knows what is possible in the future.
Thank you for the invitation.
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Post by supergroup7 on May 14, 2007 11:53:08 GMT 8
Colin, I remember reading that article on the hikite hand before. It's clear and concise.. and explains the use of the movement very well.
By the way, I'd like to put forth a guess that the stance that the master had before he hit the makiwari board was a back stance from which he then exploded into a front stance .
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Post by Colin Wee on May 14, 2007 14:32:27 GMT 8
By the way, I'd like to put forth a guess that the stance that the master had before he hit the makiwari board was a back stance from which he then exploded into a front stance . That would be my guess too! Colin
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