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Post by Colin Wee on Jan 20, 2006 15:58:38 GMT 8
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Post by Guro Cory on Dec 21, 2006 6:01:11 GMT 8
SUPERGROUP7: hello as im reading through this, im thinking wow she teaches much in the same manner as i do. I too break off a piece here and a piece there in a few moves at a time..i however, have never tried to teach the techniques of a form first then apply it in the form... hmm, very interesting indeed... I'll def have to try that sometime. But much the ado, im like any other instructor when teaching kata/forms. I do a brief over all of the form. Run it 2 times for them once slow, then at full speed as its meant.. allowing them to see the whole form in all its truest nature. The bunkai is very important when explaining kata.. i'll usually pick 1 or 2 techniques that i find interesting and explain them in a whole... Some really good sources : www.kyusho.com and www.dillman.com
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Post by Colin Wee on Dec 21, 2006 21:05:09 GMT 8
In my mind, the forms are great tools to show skills appropriate for the student. However, beyond such physical training, the forms are an important opportunity for instructors or expert level practitioners to discuss 'what works' ... timing, angles, coverage, distancing, reach, etc. So it's not so important to show them a 'technique'. It is more important to impress upon them the reason that technique is done in that specific way. Colin
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Post by mat on Jan 3, 2007 22:47:02 GMT 8
I have to agree with Colin here.
Too much time is wasted on teaching things that don't serve much. I'd say in a typical class I've attended, there was... 90% time spent on basics/katas and such and 10% time spent on actually applying those basics - what works, etc. Each time we get to that 10% part, I'm kind of lost.
And at the same time, I wish there was more of that 10%. The rest is simple...
Be well!
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Post by supergroup7 on Jan 10, 2007 2:41:54 GMT 8
Hi Sensei Cory! Welcome to the board.
I'd just like to make you aware that I am not a Sensei of a dojo. I usually just train as a high belt, but often I am used as an assistant teacher to the lower belts.
Thank you for the sources. I will look into them when I have time. Right now I am working on an article.. so my energy is going towards that.
I agree Colin, that it is so important to know where, when, how, and what each bunkai involves in it's performance. Something that is effective at an angle might just flop on you if you try to perform it straight on... very important knowledge. Kata is great for helping one look into this aspect.
Mat.. I realize that much karate training focuses on basics... but, in my opinion, basics is how one improves. Basics are like scales to a musician.. they are the building blocks, or the foundation of the art. The stronger the foundation the better you can build on it. Sure.. It is very important to be able to USE these techniques.. and apply them... but without the foundation, you will find that trying to apply them will just be frustrating for you because you won't have the muscle knowledge, and the proper movement to achieve success. My husband, a guitarist, explained it to me in this way: He said that everyone wants to be able to do that cool improvised lead guitar solo, but if they do not know what key that is being played, and how to move their fingers on the fret board, and how to place their pick, and which notes can be used to accent the moment, and how to race up and down the neck of the guitar hitting the proper notes.. All that they will get is noise. It is through the everyday daily practice of basic scales, and pick exercises that you gain the skill to "jam" later on.
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Post by mat on Jan 19, 2007 1:10:18 GMT 8
Mat.. I realize that much karate training focuses on basics... but, in my opinion, basics is how one improves. Basics are like scales to a musician.. they are the building blocks, or the foundation of the art. The stronger the foundation the better you can build on it. Sure.. It is very important to be able to USE these techniques.. and apply them... but without the foundation, you will find that trying to apply them will just be frustrating for you because you won't have the muscle knowledge, and the proper movement to achieve success. My husband, a guitarist, explained it to me in this way: He said that everyone wants to be able to do that cool improvised lead guitar solo, but if they do not know what key that is being played, and how to move their fingers on the fret board, and how to place their pick, and which notes can be used to accent the moment, and how to race up and down the neck of the guitar hitting the proper notes.. All that they will get is noise. It is through the everyday daily practice of basic scales, and pick exercises that you gain the skill to "jam" later on. I'm a guitar player myself. Believe me, I know the importance of basics. Discussing it was not my point. They remain simple. Yet complicated to "sink in". My point is that the 10% is pretty important and should be learned. Without having solos in my mind, I never would have learned to strumm guitar cords in the first place... And now I'm at a place where simply reproducing another person's song is just boring. Now, each time I grab my guitar, it's something new that comes out. But no amount of scaling of strumming, arpeggios and such could help me produce new songs. It was learning how to use those different skills that I had learned that helped. And that started by mimicking better, more experienced guitar player's solos. And if I kept saying to myself : don't try solos, you don't know enough yet, I probaly wouldn't have learned much. Once in a while, I tried some. Even if they were slow and ugly (noise) I tried and eventually became capable of doing them. If no one shows me bunkai, how will I produce them? By doing endless repetitions of gyaku-tsuki up and down the floor? Get my point? be well. ***Just for the record, I don't do much solos. I use to want to learn how to do it. I learned a few and lost interest in them. Nowadays, I practice more flamenco type fingering, singing and producing the general melody.- Just saying : if I'm asked to play a Jimmy Hendrix type solo, have no doubt, I won't be able to do it. And it's not what I want. Ask me the arpeggios to hotel california, some metalicca, I can. ;D
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Post by Colin Wee on Jan 23, 2007 12:13:10 GMT 8
Mat.. I realize that much karate training focuses on basics... but, in my opinion, basics is how one improves. I think basics allow you to improve once you've got the subjective experience to come back to those basics and say ... what are they really trying to show me. Colin
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Post by mat on Feb 8, 2007 2:31:02 GMT 8
Mat.. I realize that much karate training focuses on basics... but, in my opinion, basics is how one improves. I think basics allow you to improve once you've got the subjective experience to come back to those basics and say ... what are they really trying to show me. Colin I didn't understand the wisdom in these words until recently. Be well.
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Post by Colin Wee on Feb 8, 2007 12:07:22 GMT 8
I think basics allow you to improve once you've got the subjective experience to come back to those basics and say ... what are they really trying to show me. Colin I didn't understand the wisdom in these words until recently. Be well. This is how my passion in the MA has been steadily increasing after practicing for more than two decades. It's the best kind of fun! Free too! Colin
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