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Post by sifuwhite on Nov 29, 2005 20:31:44 GMT 8
For you Traditionalist out there in TKD. How many of you pratice Forms with weapons.
Tim
Even though I am a chinese stylist. we do some weapons. Saber, Double Daggers, Tiger Fork. etc.
What type of weapons do you do as a TKD member, and are there any tradional weapons that TKD has.
Sifu White
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Post by supergroup7 on Nov 29, 2005 21:29:34 GMT 8
I'm learning a Bo staff kata in my kyokushin syllabus.
We do some weapons forms in that art, but nothing like that in my Shotokan classes.
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Post by wmioch on Nov 30, 2005 9:52:53 GMT 8
uh, let me see...my Karate has no weapons until Black Belt, but I have studied seperately Bo Staff
Then the Hsing I has lots of weapons, to date I've done and short stick forms.
Oh, and I've covered a Tai Chi sword form as well.
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Post by Colin Wee on Nov 30, 2005 10:04:24 GMT 8
For you Traditionalist out there in TKD. How many of you pratice Forms with weapons. Tim - I believe for 'traditional' TKD people, none will practice any weapons. For those that come from Tang Soo Do or Chung Do Kwan schools (or similar) however, some do practice Korean equivalents for Okinawan type weapons like the sai, nunchaku, bo/jo, etc. I have not had any exposure to the differences between Okinawan type weapons and Korean type practices. I have been trained in short stick, double sticks, long staff, and bo. However, I've never really spent a lot of time with weapons, and have little real experience with them. I've been playing around with the sai for some time and have just started more formal practice with it. Colin
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Post by sifuwhite on Nov 30, 2005 20:02:38 GMT 8
Wow, that is amazing. I have seen so many TKD competitors coming to the PKC tounaments using Bo, and Sai. Very interesting. I would think that at least the Bo and sword would be synonomous with TKD since it came from the Shotokan System.
Tim
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Post by mat on Jul 13, 2006 2:19:24 GMT 8
Hi.
For my part, I'm not in TKD although I practiced something that ressembled shotokan Karate a lot and that was called tKD for four years. I used the bo staff during that time.
Now in chito-ryu, I practice the same kata I do empty-handed. Except with Sai and nunchaku for now. Next comes the kama, tonfa, bo, jo and eventually, the sword. I'm particularily attracted to Sai though. It just feels natural.
Cheers,
Mathieu
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Post by Will Senn on Mar 12, 2007 22:36:37 GMT 8
To pick this thread up WAY after it was originally penned...
I studied Bo, Jo and Tanto, back in the day - but it was separate from my Tae Kwon Do training (Chung do Kwan).
Now I'm studying Renbudo (related to Shotokan karate) and traditional weapons are taught alongside the empty hand - Bo, Tonfa, Sai, Jo, Nunchaku, etc. The beginners don't do weapons, but the intermediates are taught Bo, with more advanced levels working on Tonfa, and so on.
The perspective is different. I am finding a great deal of satisfaction going from empty hand to weapon and back again - the arts are making a whole lot more sense as a unified whole rather than strange separate pieces.
Take Gedan Barai - not so much a down(ward) block as it is a sweeping block - amazingly effective with or against a weapon.
Nifty, eh?
Will
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Post by Guro Cory on Mar 13, 2007 8:58:12 GMT 8
Weapons Forms are very modest and comes in all shapes and sizes much like empty hand forms. From having a background in traditional TKD i can say we never studied nor picked up a weapon during my whole time studying the art.
In my American Karate system we learned a couple BO kata : to name them however my spelling per Japanese is horrible so please bear with me..
(BTW im spelling them how we pronounced them)
Suisho Suinokonsho Mahabong Tonky Me
These were all Bo kata that i had learned many years ago..However, I cannot quite run them much anymore.
On another note, other weapons forms that i've learned which is interesting to me, was a Karambit (small indonesian blade) form called Kilap Indiegarma (to strike with lightening speed)
In the FMA (filipino stick fighting arts) there are no particular set stick forms... For those of you who learned any form using short sticks they had to be made or created in the past 25 years or current. As im familiar with the ancient Kali-Eskrima-Arnis systems and they did not practice any set pattern. They did however do what was or is called "de carenza" meaning to free flow.. its a set of movements just like a kata or a form but its "free form- made up of your own movements" many older style kalista or eskrimadors would do this de carenza all the time and use live bolo or machette or any type of small to medium sized blade. It looked very pretty to watch and meant to be very deadly. Many times the stick was a training tool for the edged weapon as so they could learn to weild the stick before the edged weapon as not to injure themselves.
Just my 2 cents worth there.
THanks
Guro Cory
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Post by supergroup7 on Mar 16, 2007 21:12:50 GMT 8
I've seen older pictures of Sensei Gichin Funakoshi ( the founder of Shotokan karate) training with a Bo staff. Many of the Shotokan kata contain defenses against weapons. Yet, the modern Shotokan style does not seem to have a weapons aspect to it, and it focuses mostly on striking ( at least up to the Shodan level ). I'd be curious as to when the art removed the weapons training, and knowledge.
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