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Post by Colin Wee on Aug 28, 2007 23:44:21 GMT 8
I've personally been in a situation before where an injury occurred and while unintentional, I was blamed for being hurtful (as opposed to nurturing). This is in spite of being known as an extremely controlled and fast fighter (as opposed to Jon who is a very tough and aggressive fighter). But this activity is by its nature rough - and some people will have a different scale to measure what is acceptable. If you make a mistake and turn it up too soon, you might alienate students. At one level it's a two way thing - the student should have communicated his problems. Then again if there's a power asymmetry, this might become more difficult. Whatever it is, the game can only be played if both parties are willing to play. If the 'play' has degenerated, the student could have easily walked away. This option must always be presented to the student. Colin
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Post by Colin Wee on Aug 30, 2007 9:27:55 GMT 8
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Post by supergroup7 on Aug 30, 2007 22:50:13 GMT 8
I went to check the posting against Sensei Jon Alster. I saw a few things:
a) It is quite apparent from his words that the poster had negative feelings about training with Sensei Jon before he took the kobudo lessons. It is easy to see the worst in situations when one is already in a negative space, especially when one is in a sparring moment and inadequately covering/ blocking themselves.
b) Nothing that was posted in that complaining thread seemed to be severe enough to warrant the complaint. The fact that Sensei Jon chooses to have more belt ranks, or to teach in the manner that he does, is his decision in his dojo. He can choose to have 36 rank levels, or none at all. He can chose to ask his students to do a belt rank test, or just hand them the rank when he feels that they deserve it. Each Instructor, who has their own school, can instruct in the manner that they feel is best. If a student has issues with this, then it is up to the student to walk away and find a teacher that meets their expectations.
c) The "hear-say" portion of the complaint "then i heard that he had threatened to kill and or put in the hospital a few of the students fathers for some reason of another" has no facts to validate the statement.
I appreciate the posting that the parent of one of the students of Sensei Jon had placed in response. Also, I am also pleased to see your factual response which presents a first hand impression of the instruction, and character of Sensei Jon Alster. Thank you Colin.
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Post by supergroup7 on Aug 30, 2007 23:01:30 GMT 8
As for Karate Talk weblog's posting. I think that the behaviour of that violent black belt is atrocious considering that he is training in a NON-contact style. The main concept of this art is to train for total control of the strike so that one can send it full power, and yet barely touch the opponent. It is a shame to see people in this art with a black belt, and showing such disregard for the training, and lack of control.
One of the traditional ways of teaching control ( that I've been told about) is that there would be a panel of cardboard filled withsharp pointy roofing nails business end out attached to the wall. IF one of the students hit the other without control they would be expected to go to this part of the wall, and punch at the nails stopping so close to them that you could see the imprint of the nail onto their skin, but not punturing the skin. Needless to say that those students that had no control in their strikes, quickly learned how to use control, or felt the pain. However.. this method is not used today.
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Post by sifuwhite on Aug 8, 2011 5:18:39 GMT 8
Colin,
I am back, I love this topic on instructors. I think that all instructors should promote an atmosphere for learning as well. If that atmosphere is not there then the student will be disappointed and they will want to stop. It had to be educational, fun and most of all geared toward the student.
Sifu Tim White
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