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Post by Colin Wee on Feb 25, 2006 20:51:19 GMT 8
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Post by supergroup7 on Feb 25, 2006 22:55:20 GMT 8
his is an issue which I think relates much to how Taekwondo views its creation of power - the sine wave. I was recently looking at how hard style karate-kas generate power. Rather than what the General said about all strikes require you to use a knee spring and push yourself up before going forward, Karate is in exact opposite. You dip down, *then* lunge forward and pop back up to the required level.
Colin... This section of your thread is fascinating. Am I correct in believing that a TKD artist is actually pushing upwards before their strike with their legs.. sort of like how an eagle will rise up in the air to use gravity to accentuate the speed, and power of the strike?
It's true that as a Shotokanist, I am encouraged to "root" into the floor with my legs, feet, even toes, and use the earth to propel my body into my strike. It would sort of look like a "dipping" down motion with a beginner karate ka like me, but an experienced Shotokanist is already rooted.. you wouldn't see that dipping down motion at all.
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Post by Colin Wee on Feb 25, 2006 22:59:24 GMT 8
his is an issue which I think relates much to how Taekwondo views its creation of power - the sine wave. I was recently looking at how hard style karate-kas generate power. Rather than what the General said about all strikes require you to use a knee spring and push yourself up before going forward, Karate is in exact opposite. You dip down, *then* lunge forward and pop back up to the required level.
Colin... This section of your thread is fascinating. Am I correct in believing that a TKD artist is actually pushing upwards before their strike with their legs.. sort of like how an eagle will rise up in the air to use gravity to accentuate the speed, and power of the strike? It's true that as a Shotokanist, I am encouraged to "root" into the floor with my legs, feet, even toes, and use the earth to propel my body into my strike. It would sort of look like a "dipping" down motion with a beginner karate ka like me, but an experienced Shotokanist is already rooted.. you wouldn't see that dipping down motion at all. Yes - the TKD sine wave in the pattern requires you to stand up before you strike out. As for the dipping down motion ... this *has* to happen given leg dynamics. If your legs down dip down, the body will inevitably rise over the fixated leg length. So the body maintains the level plane by shortening the leg's distance from the ground. Okay - so it's not really a dipping down motion, but the legs do have to shorten in order that you're level with the ground. Colin
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Post by Colin Wee on Oct 10, 2006 13:45:13 GMT 8
Similarities between TKD forms and Shotokan ...
Chonji - Heian Shodan Dangun - Dosan - Heian Yondan Wonhyo - Heian Nidan Yulguk - Heian Sandan, Heian Yondan, Heian Godan, Kanku Sho Chunggun - Heian Godan, Empi Toigye - Jitte, Heian Yondan, Heian Godan Hwarang - Heian Sandan Chungmu - Kanku Dai Kwanggae - Kanku Dai
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Post by stuarta on Oct 11, 2006 23:05:27 GMT 8
based specially on the initial impact of a blow plus the consequential additional force provided by the rebound The Rebound? The opponent gets hurt by rebounding back from the strike? Paint me confused.. do they hit themselves again when they react to the initial strike? This is in reference to the fact that two forces combined (that of the blow and that of the opponent moving) create a much bigger and thus devestating force. hence.... . The two forces combined; his, which is large, and yours, which is small are quite impressive. This, then, is the reaction force from the opponent.Stuart
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Post by stuarta on Oct 11, 2006 23:10:28 GMT 8
Colin... This section of your thread is fascinating. Am I correct in believing that a TKD artist is actually pushing upwards before their strike with their legs.. sort of like how an eagle will rise up in the air to use gravity to accentuate the speed, and power of the strike? Sorry to jump in again. The answer IMO, is no, a TKD(ist) would rise and drop into the movement (known as the original sine-wave) rather than keep horizontal like in shotokan. We still use the locking of the back leg to create forward power and it isnt used when kicking. this way, a strike uses natural downward motion (ala gravity & body mass) to genertae force/power. Stuart
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Post by Colin Wee on Oct 12, 2006 1:14:15 GMT 8
Thanks for clearing that up Stuart. To be sure, I don't practice the sine wave. My patterns are all one level. Saying that, we do marry the force of gravity with body drop and hip twist. So from a standing position, this is what works similarly for us. Colin
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Post by stuarta on Oct 13, 2006 0:43:08 GMT 8
Thanks for clearing that up Stuart. To be sure, I don't practice the sine wave. Nor do I the way it is done today, though I use the original version which many now call 'Natural Motion' to distinguish it from the newer (down/up/down) version. see: www.raynerslanetkd.com/ARTICLES_Patterns_Sinewave.html if youd like to know more The original sine wave is similar, think of the standing postion as the 'between' two stances bit! Stuart Ps. you patterns 2 kata analysis was one of my reference sections that didnt make it, I was saving for volume 2 whilst I researched it more for the (like yours) blank bits!
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Post by Colin Wee on Oct 14, 2006 15:22:32 GMT 8
Thanks for clearing that up Stuart. To be sure, I don't practice the sine wave. Nor do I the way it is done today, though I use the original version which many now call 'Natural Motion' to distinguish it from the newer (down/up/down) version. see: www.raynerslanetkd.com/ARTICLES_Patterns_Sinewave.html if youd like to know more Yeah. I read the article. I'm sure it'll be easier to understand if you did a video. :-) Huh? My patterns to kata analysis? You mean from my manuscript? Cool. Use it when you want. As for my own bunkai/apps for the TKD patterns, blank bits are fine for me. I don't think I need to explain every single move in the pattern. The work I've done to date has been satisfying enough ... and if I follow this approach, shows much more to any student than I learned going through the paces. Colin
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Post by stuarta on Oct 16, 2006 7:50:15 GMT 8
Yeah. I read the article. I'm sure it'll be easier to understand if you did a video. :-) Na, the article was enough and made a lot of people think about what they are actually doing! Theres a few video clips at the bottom to help those that can't .. understand Was that in the version I read!! I was refering to your post on here! I have a similar thing in my notes, which doesnt relate all the patterns to kata as yet.. hence what I meant (eg. yoou havnt corresponded any kata as close to Dan-Gun) Oooo.. I did but that wasnt what i was refering to.. see above! Well the version I saw I though was excellant.. hence why I felt it needed a mention in my book, I particularly loved how indepth you corresponded the historical figures with pattern peerformance.. certainly good food for thought.. get it finished will ya! Stuart
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Post by Colin Wee on Oct 16, 2006 8:34:30 GMT 8
The version you read was it for the manuscript. My work to date has been R&D based on key concepts that were presented in that piece, but done in an instructive program-oriented manner. I don't know whether the first section is going to gel with the second, but we'll see.
The problem I'm facing is in the photo taking. I can't get volunteers together to get the job done.
Thanks for your encouragement.
As for Dan-gun ... no, I've not found any kata off the shotokan set to correspond to Dan-gun. But that's fine. With my approach, I see the whole entire collection of patterns as a program. If seen in that way, then Dan-gun fits very nicely at the beginning of Chang Hon.
Colin
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Post by stuarta on Oct 16, 2006 21:48:02 GMT 8
The version you read was it for the manuscript. yes, I had the first version, hence why I didnt see your list and why we have done the same/similar thing. Great minds must think alike after all So when do I see the update? Why not use yourself.. your pretty enough Im sure ;D Space for it all my friend and the TKD world certainly needs it! Ditto Stuart
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Post by Colin Wee on Oct 17, 2006 14:15:52 GMT 8
Actually, seeing your book out in print has convinced me of one thing -- and that while the TKD world really needs more resources (like yours), the important thing for me is to preserve and improve stuff for my style of TKD. As you know, what I practice is different to what you practice ... and I think it's important for me to see how I fit into the grand history of things.
Use myself? I certainly could. But I need other volunteers too.
Colin
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Post by Colin Wee on Jul 21, 2007 19:09:11 GMT 8
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Post by Colin Wee on Jul 31, 2007 17:11:51 GMT 8
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