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Post by sbwright on Feb 14, 2006 14:47:36 GMT 8
My feeling is that it is a throw of some kind ( no sources or evidence to back it up though) Themore I think of it the more I feel that the first 4 moves form a sequence. Move one takes you off the line of attack( a linear attack from the side. Then - Something similar to this perhaps judoinfo.com/images/animations/blue/sodetsurikomigoshi.htm
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Post by sbwright on Feb 13, 2006 15:15:39 GMT 8
Double Open Hand Blocks -
I suspect this is a throw, a Komanage? If you take the first 4 moves and string them together as a continuous sequence?
The elbows at the end of the sequence, I suspect are also a throw, allthough I have seen a bear hug escape the utilises this technique.
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Post by sbwright on Feb 13, 2006 14:49:32 GMT 8
Some of these knife hands are apparently intended to be blocks others blocks and strikes ie blocking at one angle, attacking at another.
The problem when looking back at these forms is that what may be true for one form, say Bassai may not necessarily hold for the pyong ahns.
Bassai is an old form with possible links to Hung Gar, White Crane or Lohanquan Kung Fu.
The Pyong Ahns are a modern rendition of a much older form(s) the intention behind them(which we will never know) is in all likelihood different from other forms.
It is said that they were modified for introduction into the Okinawan school system(not necessarily dumbed down, but changed to facilitate large scale teaching).
Are the numerous blocks there for repetition or are they indicative of different techniques?
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Post by sbwright on Feb 10, 2006 14:04:23 GMT 8
Which begs the question at white belt should the Gedan Barai be "just a down block" then as the student progress work on the other potential techniques.
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Post by sbwright on Feb 10, 2006 8:36:15 GMT 8
On Colin's suggestion I will present my knowledge and understanding of this form taking into consideration the following - The way in which it was taught to me and the way in which my school wishes it performed.
- My personal filtering of the form and applications
Feel free to step in and call me on something if you think I am talking out of .... you know where. I have been doing this form for close to 12-13 years and still feel I have not explored any thing but the surface. I hope the discussion on this forum will serve to enlighten or perhaps entertain others.
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Post by sbwright on Feb 6, 2006 13:16:40 GMT 8
Mir,
The shotokan clip is closer in performance to how my school performs the kata.
we have a set tempo though.
Sean
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Post by sbwright on Feb 6, 2006 7:51:57 GMT 8
2. Some of the big differences that I’ve noticed within the kata techniques are: A) Movement #4: - In “P” the performer pulls back the right foot into a higher level L stance (weight mostly on the back leg), pulling his right fist to his left shoulder, using his left arm as cover, and then delivers a backfist shoulder high with the right arm. - In “H” the performer pulls back the right foot into a half front stance, weight is centered, level of stance is maintained. The right fist is twisted, and pulled sharply across, and up to the left side of the defender’s body about ear level, then the right fist goes up over the head similar to a head block, and descends in a hammerfist on the attacker’s collarbone at the same time as the right foot returns into front stance thereby using the body weight as added power on the strike. Mir, In my school it seems we do a combination of the two. We retract the hand and heighten the stance, then execute a hammer fist.
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Post by sbwright on Feb 6, 2006 7:42:28 GMT 8
Mir,
Thankyou for your comparison. I will make my comments short as I am pushed for time at the moment.
Pyong Ahn 1 or Chodan is the first yellow belt form that my school teaches. It corresponds with Heian Shodan and Pinan Nidan.
Pyong Ahn/Pinan/Heian are all translations of the same name "peaceful mind"
When Funakoshi brought the Pinans to Japan he changed the name to the Japanese equivalent and also swapped the first two forms around, apparently Pinan Nidan(Heian Shodan/PyongAhn Chodan) was easier to learn first.
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Post by sbwright on Feb 10, 2006 14:11:03 GMT 8
I was on the Warrior Scholar forum the other day discussing the throw in the 3 and 4th moves of Bassai has any one else come across this application the move is apparently called a Komanage (spining top).
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Post by sbwright on Feb 15, 2006 7:18:04 GMT 8
Sean, do you have a picture of this stance? Where is the weight distributed? If your thighs are locked together, then we are talking about inner tension, right? When I get my home computer working I will stun you all with a picture of myself in the stance ;D
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Post by sbwright on Feb 14, 2006 15:17:35 GMT 8
On Pyung Ahn and Chang Hon. But the scoop block, kick, and punch are the exact same ones in Won-hyo. We call these windmills (I think this is a club specific name though). The stance for these blocks is different for those in both the Pyong Ahn Eedan clip by Master Mac www.natkd.com/movies/Forms/Pyong_An_Forms/pyungahn2.wmvand the Won-hyo www.natkd.com/movies/NATKD_Forms/Won-Hyo.wmvIn the first block we keep the front leg facing forward and turn the right leg so that your thighs lock together. This actually has the effect of dropping your body quickly. Our block starts low like you are scooping water out of a stream. This sequence performed while escaping a wrist grab can reall crank the wrist of the attack when performed quickly.
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Post by sbwright on Feb 13, 2006 15:09:14 GMT 8
Pyong Ahn 2 ( My school while being traditional uses very little Korean Terminology) Moves 1-7 My interpretation is that the double block is actually a block and punch. The punch being like a weird hook punch curving up and over a guard. This is then followed by a trap and straight punch to the opponents throat (standard shotokan interp.) This is then repeated on the other side. The seveth move is essentially a sidekick and punch to the south( we start the form facing north). The kick is preceeded by a slight side step(taking you off the line of attack), the punch is actually a grab of your opponents arms or clothing to anchor yourself while you attack with a kick. I have to dig up some pictures ( I don't feel I am being very clear).
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Post by sbwright on Feb 27, 2006 14:54:41 GMT 8
Sean - thanks for that. I'm sure James will appreciate the information. Rgds, Colin Not a worry Colin. Clive is the genuine article. He is professional and he does it free of charge, you only pay gym cost. Takes more care with his charges than a lot of other instructors I have trained with.
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Post by sbwright on Feb 27, 2006 13:16:09 GMT 8
If he is studying in Sydney he could checkout the Inner City Combat Club. A bunch of good blokes - they do MMA and scenario training based on the Senshido system. Training will be cheap particularly if he's a student. Here's the instructor's website: www.clive.com.auThey do excellent work on Psychological side of conflict - de-escalation etc. Clive is into Verbal Judo an associated approaches. I trained with them last year and thoroughly enjoyed get thrown and tied up in knotts.
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Post by sbwright on Jun 2, 2006 11:02:46 GMT 8
Colin,
Nice article. On the subject of No first Attack in Karate. There is some speculation, now and in Funakoshi's time that this has been misinterpreted to mean a practitioner should not attack first but block and counter.
But in essenceit should perhaps mean that a practitioner should never instigate violence, verbal or physical. If someone is verbally attacking you with obvious intent to attack you physically, they have commenced the attack and you may attempt a response ie go on the offense.
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