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Post by Colin Wee on Jan 29, 2006 21:04:02 GMT 8
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Post by Colin Wee on Feb 13, 2006 14:28:33 GMT 8
Chang Hon and Pyung Ahn
Is it my imagination or does this look like Chulgi? And there's an open hand -axe kick from Bassai! The reach under grab and backfist backwards looks like what we have in Toi Gye. Jump, X block and double block look like Toi gye too. All in all the pattern looks very similar to Po-un (given Po-un's similarity to Chulgi).
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Post by supergroup7 on Apr 14, 2006 0:14:49 GMT 8
Comparison of Pyung Ahn Oh Dan with Heian Godan. At this point of relying on Master McHenry’s videos of the Pyung Ahns I would really like to express my gratitude for his dedication to the arts, and patience, and for the gift of these videos to the martial arts community. I have some personal experience of how difficult it is to perform a kata, and have it filmed. So many things can go wrong: the weather, the equipment, you name it.... so much can go wrong. Now for the differences that I’ve seen between Pyung Ahn Oh Dan, and Heian Godan. The whole kata has a different “feel”, and expression. One of the main things that I noticed from the start was the eye vector changes in “P”. The performer is looking in a different direction in “P” when executing their technique than a performer of “H”. This is most obvious in the Hook punch of movement #3, and #6. In my opinion, this would hint to a totally different understanding of application. The techniques in “H” are done at higher, and lower levels in “P”. A great example of this is the downward “X” block the second kiai point. You can see that the fists are barely a foot off of the ground at that point. I’ve noticed a prevailing higher/lower application of almost all of the techniques in this kata. “P” has a smoother expression than “H”. The movements do not have that sudden burst/ and stop, but flow into each other more often. There are some additional movements like the Mountain block near the end of the kata. I hesitate to say “additional” because I’m not sure who was first, the chicken or the egg. Did Shotokan remove the technique, or did Tang Soo Do add it? I gather that this isn’t important.. I will just observe that there are some large differences in the last 5 movements of this kata. One of the most fascinating things that I realized as I watch the “P” version of this kata is that the backstance performed by Master McHenry was a Shotokan type of backstance with the legs inline, spaced out, and the back knee turned away, and not a Kyokushin type of backstance that I had seen performed in the Pyung Ahn Cho Dan kata. (Check out the comments on Pyung Ahn Cho Dan thread in this section to see a deeper explanation with illustrations of what I mean) The very last movement of the kata in backstance looks totally Shotokan. What has happened here? Does Tang Soo Do contain more than one type of backstance to meet the demands of the movements being performed? I double checked the other kata just to see if the Shotokan “ish” backstance was being performed, but Pyung Ahn Oh Dan is the only kata which contains it. Pyung-ahn Cho-dan According to the performance by Master D. McHenry. found at: www.natkd.com/tkd_forms.htm Heian Godan Shotokan kata found at: www.natkd.com/movies/Forms/Shotokan/HeianGodan.mpeg
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Post by supergroup7 on Apr 14, 2006 0:58:23 GMT 8
Is it my imagination or does this look like Chulgi?
Colin... The Chulgi that I saw on that video list is a kissing cousin to Tekki Shodan ( Naihanchi). I didn't see any resemblance of the opening moves of Pyung Ahn Oh Dan ( Heian Godan/ Pinan Sono Go) to the moves of Chulgi.
And there's an open hand -axe kick from Bassai!
Where? I missed it. Which movement? Did I watch the wrong video?
Now! Toi Gye! That's more like what I imagined.. To me, it has the appearance of Heian Godan, Bassai Dai, and Jutte all mashed up into one kata. Considering that I always get caught mixing Heian Godan, and Bassai Dai movements together since some of them are so similar.. it's not a mystery that one could see these movements in Toi Gye.
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