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Post by GM-Neal on Apr 7, 2006 11:58:09 GMT 8
What is your option on Honorary "Ranks"
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Post by Colin Wee on Apr 7, 2006 13:24:14 GMT 8
I don't see the point of it. The rank is symbol of achievement through effort. Using it for other purposes, while may be for good intention, is misleading.
Colin
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Post by GM-Neal on Apr 8, 2006 10:50:58 GMT 8
I Have this Posted on My Forum at BBD, Just wanted to Post it hear and get some feed back. I agree with you on that, I do know some however that do, and have heard of others giving out master ranks. I like you feel it causes much confusion, If you do not have the Skill that goes with the Rank then it does you NO Good. I feel it takes all so away from the true meaning of the Martial Arts, But that as they say is my $.0.2 Worth..
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Post by GM-Neal on Apr 8, 2006 11:02:51 GMT 8
Speaking Of that the BBD, You Guys are welcome to post on it, Tim & Ron are members (Tim is a Mod), i do not have many that know about the Korean Arts, and you guys could give some input, I know you are like me and are members of other Forums, and some times it is hard keeping up with them all. But if you would the Link is www.blackbeltdomain.com/extreme/index.php Thanks, Mike
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Post by supergroup7 on Apr 9, 2006 2:09:26 GMT 8
I believe that an honorary rank is meant as a sign of respect, and admiration for the "heart" of the person being "honored": i.e. recognizing their contribution, or their effect on the world around them.
I believe that it is given with the best intentions. However, I feel that a different type of acknowledgement would be more suitable.
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Post by GM-Neal on Apr 9, 2006 11:37:48 GMT 8
The Only Honorary rank i use is Sho-Dan, There was this young man that has MS, we took up a Collection for him to go to hamburg Germany. He wanted so bad to learn The Martial Arts, So i was going to give him a Honorary 1st Dan In the System. Just for him to feel apart of something, and up lift his spirit. every one would know that it was just a Honorary Rank, One because I Post on the Certificates that it is a Honorary Rank only, so no one could pass it off as a "Earned" Rank. So what do you think about something like that ?
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Post by Colin Wee on Apr 9, 2006 20:51:21 GMT 8
How about Honorary Doctorates? These are typically given out to reputable/knowledgeable/respectable people, who are leading their field in something. The Doctorate doesn't recognise them as Academics, but recognises their achievement beyond what the academic world could afford to judge.
My grandfather was given an Honorary Doctorate for the amount of work he has done for Singapore. And he was really proud of it. Basically, it brought value to the Academic world for him to acknowledge that he recognised the degree for the work he's done.
If you do it nicely, and make indication that it is a certificate for X, and called it an Honorary Shodan, I guess it'll get the job done. It's a nice touch. Like Mir said ... it's from the heart.
Colin
ps. GM Neal - You don't really need to seek my/our opinion on this, you know.
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Post by GM-Neal on Apr 10, 2006 8:13:01 GMT 8
I just like to get my Colleagues opinions on it .. And yes it is like my daughter-In Law just got her MD, from UK. she had a few that were given a Honorary MD for all the work they put into helping the med students, and they all graduated with her, and went up on stage and got their Diplomas. I fell most will learn more in a Life Experience then some will in a Book, so giving a Honorary Degree for hard work, sweat, and tears is a Great thing.
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Post by fluffy on Apr 30, 2006 13:00:52 GMT 8
Is it not tradition in Taekwondo (in Korea itself) to give such rank to high ranking politicians? This is how it was explained to me. I've been mulling over handing out an honorary 1st Dan to the mayor of my town, he is also a long time friend of mine.
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Post by Colin Wee on Apr 30, 2006 15:20:32 GMT 8
Is it not tradition in Taekwondo (in Korea itself) to give such rank to high ranking politicians? This is how it was explained to me. I've been mulling over handing out an honorary 1st Dan to the mayor of my town, he is also a long time friend of mine. Would Koreans understand the significance of such honorary ranks differently from non-koreans? Colin
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Post by fluffy on May 1, 2006 0:53:37 GMT 8
I guess not, but I've never been to Korea and I do not understand all the customs in the culture. I've been told allot of things, this is just one. In American culture it is OK to give such honors to politicians, matter of fact it puts you in the limelight....which is not such a bad thing if you are running a business in a small town.
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Post by sbwright on Jun 2, 2006 13:49:32 GMT 8
I do not believe in them where there is no work done by the recipient and where the holding of such would cause confusion in the general public.
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Post by GM-Neal on Jun 3, 2006 6:29:50 GMT 8
I think as long as the Word "Honorary" is on the Certificate most understand it was Not "Earned", and they are Good to get your name and system out to the Public. it could get you TV and / Or Radio coverage, which is always good. as far as the Asian Countries, that understand the US Customs would understand it, and why it is done. it is like apples and oranges, most know the Defference...
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Post by sifuwhite on Jun 26, 2006 13:05:06 GMT 8
Why give honorary rank in the first palce, it serves no purpose. I have done in a few times in the past and it has bit me in the arse.
Sifu White
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