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Post by Guro Cory on Dec 17, 2006 4:42:05 GMT 8
Good day ladies and gentlemen my name is Cory Ballinger im 34 yrs old and have been studying Martial Arts for approx. 23 going on 24 yrs now. I started studying in American Karate/TKD under Sensei Tim Armstrong of Muncie, IN. Along my time under his wing we crossed train in many various systems such as Inosanto / Largusa Kali, Jeet Kune Do Concepts, Muay Thai, Kick boxing, Silat. ( I had found an undying love for these arts during this time as my passion for them grew and grew) Guro Bruce Ogle of Indianapolis would frequent or dojo to cross train us, all the time i was just falling deeper in love w/ these arts. I later in 1990 earned my shodan and left to go to the Military.. I wanted to continue my training and i was stationed in Fort Hood Texas.. i began trainng w/ some guys on and off base down there that done Kali. I was so impressed that i would follow seminars and classes in the area... Later being transferred to Fort Lee VA. I again met up w/ a local JKD (jeet kune do ) school which was very into Wing Chun and had some minimal FMA (filipino martial art) background.. so i shared what vast knowledge i had in return for their knowledge in jkd and WC. It was a good turnout.. I was hitting seminars and training all i could while on base and off base.. Later going to Syria and Bosnia during my stint in the service i come home to the states back to INDIANA. I got married had a child and moved to Fort Wayne, IN. just north of where i grew up a few hours... i was looking for FMA teachers and didnt have any that i knew of.. so i started taking Chung Do Kwan TKD and was enjoying it.. but it was not my passion.. i later found a man online that claimed he taught Cabalas Serrada Eskrima.. now i had not heard of this system and was eager to learn anything to do w/ a stick and blade... so i became his disciple for several years... being very intune w/ my FMA i also met a guy named Guru Mike Casto who i became close friends with, who in my opinion is world class martial artist.. his teacher Guru Ken Pannell is phenominal MA'st.... both have shared alot and helped me grow tremendously. To make a long story short im now back in Muncie, IN after a long 10yrs away now teaching Pukulan Hantu Kailat ( a Kali-Silat) eclectic system...its based from many different systems however the core or foundation is KALI and SIALT = Ka(kali) ILAT(silat) but the elements of modern street boxing and JKD as well as many other combative styles are in there.. Kailat is very NON TRADITIONAL as to we don't wear uniforms, nor have belt rank.. in fact we are almost military like in structure. Kailat is geared towards Law Enforcement and Self Defense of the military and civilian world. It is a Martial Art however, our goal is to preserve the FMA and Malay arts by expanding on and growing adapting that of any thing we think is useful... Adding the Bruce Lee mindset of " Absorb what is useful and discard the useless" attitude... Kailat is a NEW SYSTEM with an OLD attitude and Concept... nothing in Kailat has never "NOT" been tried before. Its all battlefield tested and approved through Grand Tuhon Leo T. Gaje jr. and GM Angel Cabalas as well as several Indonesian Jagabaya such as Pendekar Herman Suwanda, Maha Guru Victor De Thouars, Uncle Bill De Thouars, and so many others. FOR MORE INFO CHECK OUT THESE VIDS on UTUBE and the websites below. www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkDIz0Q0Alk&mode=related&search= ( Silat) www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryTV90WzxIw (solo baston) www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXfZ9C9vJso (pekiti tirsia kali) www.pt-go.com/ ( pekiti tirsia kali Grand Tuhon Leo T. Gaje) www.sayoc.com (sayoc kali) brianaikidoist.tripod.com/id35.htmlwww.serak.com/www.pencaksilat.com/www.inosanto.com/
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Post by supergroup7 on Dec 17, 2006 11:00:45 GMT 8
Welcome to the forum Mr. Ballinger. I look forwards to your contributions to the conversations that are happening here.
Thank you for your introduction. It was interesting. I have a question... you mention that you earned your Shodan in 1990, but since you list so many arts.. is your Shodan in one specific system or is it in American Karate/TKD?
Yours, Mireille
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Post by Guro Cory on Dec 19, 2006 2:44:24 GMT 8
Yes I was tested in 90 under Sensei Tim Armstrong of Muncie, IN. His system was that of Karate- His school was an HYBRID school of Karate, Taekwondo, Kali, Silat, JKDC, Kickboxing... i never really understood if he had a "set particular system" LOL....even as i look back on it today it really interests me stilll... nonetheless..later on going to the Military upon coming back to my hometown finding out that Sensei Armstrong had retired from teaching and moved he and his family to TEXAS...(since then i've been in contact w/ him and his 3 sons...)
In 1996 I decided to continue my training in Kali-Silat under Mandala Maginoo Guro Bruce Ogle (Master Instructor) under him and the system he teaches...I was awarded the title "guro-teacher or instructor" in 1999 and given his blessing to pass along what he has given me over the years.. M. Guro Ogle was originally one of Sensei Armstrongs teachers as well... I began studying various different systems such as TKD (chung do kwan) where Kwanjangnim Ralph WHite of Fort Wayne honored my Black Belt under Sensei Armstrong and after 2 years of learning his system I was tested and awarded my Ni Dan under him....Having to move from Ft. Wayne, IN back to Muncie, IN (approx. 2hours drive) I located one of my sensei (Armstrong) protege' and friend Renshi Carl Jackson who teaches the same system of Karate I originally was taught under Sensei Armstrong... However, Renshi was interested in learning the FMA (filipino arts that i had obtained) he offered to allow me to teach one night a week at his DOJO. We quickly became not only great freinds but we began to realize we could learn from one another as well... He then later in 2002 honored me w/ my San dan and in 2005 with my shidan(4thdan) black belt... So currently that is my holding Rank within the American Karate/Taekwondo system..
However, under the Kali-Silat system there are no (belt rank given) rather then just titles... so at current my title under M.Guro Ogle is Lakan Guro Anim (4th level instructor) Wich in same respect as a 4thdan... hope this helps clear things up..
Selamat
guro Cory
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Post by supergroup7 on Dec 19, 2006 7:09:22 GMT 8
Thank you for your response guro Cory.
Just to confirm my thoughts, and to announce how little I know about your art.. I watched the videos that you provided, and it appears that Kali Silat is of East Indian origin.. Is that what you are indicating by calling it a Malay art?
Therefore Kailat is a combination of the Malay art of Kali Silat, and other arts. However, the FMA influence in your path is separate from this art.
Did I understand correctly?
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Post by sifuwhite on Dec 19, 2006 19:54:02 GMT 8
Kaliat, Welcome to this forum. It is interesting to hear that you studied with Guru Ogle. I take it that is Guru Bruce Ogle from Indianapolis. I would surely like the opprounity to meet with you since I am from Indiana as well. Guru Ogle and I go back many years to his kung fu days. You are welcome to attend the MLCAA Christmas party in Whiteland, IN on December 23, 2006 at the Whiteland United Methodist Church, Whiteland, IN. I will be in Muncie on Feb 17th for the annual Professional Karate Commission's awards banquet at the Verizon center. My friend Bill Bowlings has a Karate School there called Bowling Karate Kountry.
You can contact me at
timwhitesr@earthlink.net or call 317-507-8360
Thanks for joining this forum, On behalf of MLCAA and Hikarudojo, we hope you come here often and post.
Sifu White
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Post by Guro Cory on Dec 21, 2006 0:40:30 GMT 8
To answer a couple questions here:
COLIN: Yes KAILAT is a direct hybrinated system of the SOUTH EAST ASIA ORIGIN. The main focus of the system of KAILAT is Filipino Kali also known or recocgnized as ESKRIMA, or ARNIS. As there are many different names due to the seperate dialects of this particular region. PENCAK SILAT is from Indonesia/ Malaysia area. Depending on the system and its origin usually referred to as Pentjak Silat, Pencak Silat, Bersilat, Kun Tao, or just Silat. Im still really surprised that much of these systems are still considered " taboo" not very much information on them. Much Silat ie. Kun Tao (a chinese flavor) has been incorporated into the Silat of Indonesia due to travels etc.. from China.
Kali on the other hand short for the root word KALIS (a short sword/bolo) was coined and called KALI. It's major focus is the bladed weapons.. however it does not just stop right there. It has many different focal points drawing from many areas.
I hope this helps you understand a bit more.. there is numerous and unlimted stuff on the internet on these indigenous arts if you have some free time to google them..
SIFU WHITE: Yes, that is the same Guru Bruce Ogle... He's been around this area for many years. yes he has roots in Chinese gung fu, as well as Kali-Silat...With much respect to him, he's getting older nowa days and there is only a handfull of us in this area to pass along what he has so greatfully given us in the past several years.... i'm very honored to have had him as my teacher for so long.
Im very greatful as well that you are asking me to your Christmas party this coming SAT.. However, at this time i will have to respectfully decline for it is my families Christmas celebration day..You know how that goes im sure!? LOL... Yes i know Sensei Bowling he's a great guy. In fact i was trying to see if i could use his dojo for an upcoming seminar in JAN 20th.. however, we instead are using Sensei Daniel New's dojo in New Castle IN. INFO: GURU MIKE CASTO SIKAL "tactical combatives system" from Louisville, KY.
will be hosting a 2 hour workshop on Kali-Silat from 1pm-3pm cost is $25 per person attending
LOCATION: New's Bushi-kai Martial Arts 426 New York Ave New Castle, IN 47362
JANUARY 20th.
Guru Mike and I are great friends and we are setting up monthly training session in INDIANA at different locations each month. Hopefully to hit Mr. Bowlings school in the near future.
IF your interested in hosting a workshop please let me know.
Kailat1@officer.com (email) or 765-215-9519
Thank you so much and i too look forward to meeting you
Guro Cory
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Post by Guro Cory on Dec 21, 2006 0:52:48 GMT 8
BRIEF HISTORY of FILIPINO KALI (Arnis, Eskrima): Kali is a martial art of the Philippines with a long and varied history. It originally was developed by the peoples native to those islands over the centuries before the arrival of Ferdinand Magellan and the Spanish in 1521. At that time, it was in part based on a wavy-edged sword typically 30 inches long made of wood called (in at least one dialect) a "kalis" a modern derivative of which is the "kris".
Upon their arrival, Magellan's force was engaged in a ferocious battle (or so the legend goes) by the islanders wielding such weapons. Their leader Lapu Lapu killed Magellan and the Spanish were repelled even though the heavily armoured Spanish had superior metal weaponry. Today Lapu Lapu is considered by many to be a national hero of the Philippines (Dr. Jose M. Rizal is the official national hero).
Eventually the Spanish did take over the island, kali was banned, and the traditional weapons confiscated. The art was subsequently taken underground. The use of kalis shifted to sticks or "baston" commonly made of rattan.
Through the years the name of the art changed to the Spanish derivative "arnis de mano" and "escrima/eskrima". But the martial art and spirit lived on. Today kali, arnis and eskrima continues to be taught in the Philippines and around the world. Masters like the Canetes, Leo Gaje jr., and influential proponents like Dan Inosanto (friend, student and teacher to Bruce Lee) have ensured that kali, (and arnis/escrima) will remain an active and vital martial art.
Pekiti-Tirsia System of Kali HISTORY: The Pekiti-Tirsia system of kali is an infighting combat system. Its name is roughly translated as to cut into small pieces, up close. It is primarily concerned with close quarters combat and employs the traditional full-length stick, typically 30 inches in length or more. It was founded by Conrado B. Tortal from the Negros Occidental of the Visayan region.
Today its tradition survives in the many students of the system, headed by grand tuhon Leo T. Gaje, jr. of Bacolod City, PI. The senior Canadian representative is mandala tuhon Philip Gelinas of Montreal.
Philippine Kali/Arnis/Eskrima Excerpted from Mark V. Wiley's Filipino Martial Arts The recording and documentation of history is an arduous and often difficult undertaking. While reading about history we frequently believe the point of view of the author; however, this is often incomplete and inaccurate. In particular, when tracing the origin of an art of war, such as Eskrima, it is often difficult to string together the bits and pieces of fragmented information into chronological order. Also, since the exact origin of the art was never documented by those who were directly responsible for its founding, much is left to speculation and the cross-referencing of pertinent information to historical events in the surrounding geographical region.
INTRODUCTION Centuries old, the Filipino warrior arts have long been the backbone of Filipino society. It was the practice and preservation of these arts that have kept the Philippine archipelago from permanent domination by a foreign power. There are several hundred styles of these warrior arts presently being preserved and taught throughout the Philippines. Although known by many names, often descriptive of the styles and names of their founders and enemies (i.e., Binas Arnis, Italiana style), the Filipino warrior arts can be classified by three distinct territorial styles --Arnis, Eskrima, and Kali -- that are found in the northern, central and southern Philippines, respectively.
It has been postulated that the Filipino art of Escrima originated in India and that it was brought to the Philippines by people who traveled through Indonesia across a land bridge known as the Riouw archipelago that linked the Malay peninsula to Sumatra, and across another land bridge that connected Malaya to the Philippine islands. Indonesian Tjakalele and Malay Silat Melayu are two forms of combat said to have been introduced to the Philippines via these now-sunken routes. The ninth century Tang dynasty brought goods to the Philippines from East Asia and Malaysia. These countries' combat methods of Kuntao and Silat had a great influence on the development of Kali, which is the "mother art" of the Philippines. Legends claim that ten Datus (chieftains) left Borneo and settled in Panay where they established the Bothoan in the twelfth century. The Bothoan was a school where the Datus taught Kali along with academic subjects and agriculture. It was a kind of preparatory school for tribal leaders.
During the fourteenth century, a third migration of Malaysians to the Philippines took place. These immigrants were the ancestors of the Moro (Muslim) Filipinos of Mindanao and Sulu. They spread their cultural-religious beliefs as well as their Kali systems, which utilized bladed weapons of varying lengths. Datu Mangal is credited with bringing the art of Kali to Mactan Island; Sri Bataugong and his son Sri Bantug Lamay were said to have brought the art to the island of Cebu during the Majapahit Empire. Raja Lapu Lapu, the son of Datu Mangal, through constant struggle and war, developed a personalized Kali subsystem known as Pangamut. In the sixteenth century, he and Raja Humabon, the son of Sri Bantug Lamay, began to quarrel. A battle was mounting as Lapu Lapu accused Humabon of wrongfully taking land that belonged to his father. The battle, however, was never to take place, as the Philippines were unexpectedly visited by the Portuguese explorer Ferdinand Magellan.
In the early part of the sixteenth century, the Spanish set sail in search of a westward route across the Pacific to the Indies. Commander Ferdinand Magellan's fleet of ships accidentally stumbled upon an unknown archipelago. On March 16, 1521, Magellan came upon the island of Samar. He decided that it was in his best interest to wait to attack, and thus dock at a nearby island. This island was uninhabited and so Magellan's fleet took a few days of needed rest.
On March 18, the Spaniards took note of a boatload of natives coming toward their ships. Commander Magellan, seeing a strange opportunity, greeted them in friendship. This friendship was to develop, and the native islanders familiarized Magellan with the names of the surrounding islands that made up the archipelago. With assistance of the ship's priest, Magellan baptized Raja Kolambu, the chief of Samar, and also Raja Humabon, the chief of Cebu, converting them to Catholicism and ultimately Spanish allegiance.
On April 27, Magellan led an expedition to nearby Mactan Island in hopes of conquering and then presenting it as a git to Raja Humabon. Unfortunately, as he and 49 Spanish conquistadors disembarked from their ships, they were confronted by 1,050 islanders, led by Raja Lapu Lapu, armed with iron-tipped fire-hardened bamboo lances and pointed fire-dried wooden stakes. Greatly outnumbered, Magellan was killed by the spears and arrows of Lapu Lapu's men.
In 1543, Ruy de Villalobos, sailing from New Spain (Mexico), landed south of Mindanao and proceeded to name the entire archipelago the PHILIPPINES after King Philip II of Spain. It was not until 1565 that Miguel Lopez de legazpi, authorized by Philip II, colonized the island of Cebu, and a foothold was secured in the Philippines. When the Spaniards traveled to the island of Luzon in 1570, they found it inhabited by Filipino, Chinese and Indonesian cross-cultures, and upon their arrival they were confronted by Kalistas (Kali warriors) whose fighting method far exceeded theirs. But the Spaniards, using firearms defeated the inhabitants of Luzon. From then on, the art of Kali was prohibited, but it was still practieced and perfected by a dedicated few. The arts were then preserved in native ritual dances called sinulog that had mock battles with swords as finales. Ironically, these dances were often performed for the Spaniards' enjoyment.
Kalistas practiced their arts diligently, and hence developed extreme accuracy, speed, and agility. These attributes were a must. Because the Spaniards' swords were sharp and readily cut through the Filipinos' wooden weapons, many strikes to nerve centres along the body and limbs were mastered, allowing the Kalista to disarm and disable his opponent with a flurry of attacks. During the 330 years of Spanish reign, after many skirmishes with Spanish fencing exponents and after careful observation, the art of Kali was altered. Many training methods were dropped and many new concepts and techniques were added. This, coupled with the influence of Spanish culture and language, prompted the evolution of Eskrima (aka. Arnis de Mano). It was the Spanish rapier and dagger systems that had the greatest influence on the development of Eskrima. The use of numbered angles of attack as well as what have become traditional Eskrima uniforms, were both influenced by the Spanish. It is also interesting to note that although Tagalog is the national language of the Philippines, many of the top Eskrima masters still teach their arts in Spanish, today.
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Post by sifuwhite on Dec 22, 2006 8:59:57 GMT 8
Thanks for the reply,
FYI, Guru Bruce and I had the same kung fu instructor, and he is on our family tree.
I do know Sensei D. New from the PKC tournaments. He does very well.
Thanks for the history lessons.
Sifu White
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Post by Guro Cory on Nov 1, 2007 1:29:06 GMT 8
Yes I was tested in 90 under Sensei Tim Armstrong of Muncie, IN. His system was that of Karate- His school was an HYBRID school of Karate, Taekwondo, Kali, Silat, JKDC, Kickboxing... i never really understood if he had a "set particular system" LOL....even as i look back on it today it really interests me stilll... nonetheless..later on going to the Military upon coming back to my hometown finding out that Sensei Armstrong had retired from teaching and moved he and his family to TEXAS...(since then i've been in contact w/ him and his 3 sons...) In 1996 I decided to continue my training in Kali-Silat under Mandala Maginoo Guro Bruce Ogle (Master Instructor) under him and the system he teaches...I was awarded the title "guro-teacher or instructor" in 1999 and given his blessing to pass along what he has given me over the years.. M. Guro Ogle was originally one of Sensei Armstrongs teachers as well... I began studying various different systems such as TKD (chung do kwan) where Kwanjangnim Ralph WHite of Fort Wayne honored my Black Belt under Sensei Armstrong and after 2 years of learning his system I was tested and awarded my Ni Dan under him....Having to move from Ft. Wayne, IN back to Muncie, IN (approx. 2hours drive) I located one of my sensei (Armstrong) protege' and friend Renshi Carl Jackson who teaches the same system of Karate I originally was taught under Sensei Armstrong... However, Renshi was interested in learning the FMA (filipino arts that i had obtained) he offered to allow me to teach one night a week at his DOJO. We quickly became not only great freinds but we began to realize we could learn from one another as well... He then later in 2002 honored me w/ my San dan and in 2005 with my shidan(4thdan) black belt... So currently that is my holding Rank within the American Karate/Taekwondo system.. However, under the Kali-Silat system there are no (belt rank given) rather then just titles... so at current my title under M.Guro Ogle is Lakan Guro Anim (4th level instructor) Wich in same respect as a 4thdan... hope this helps clear things up.. Selamat guro Cory
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Post by Colin Wee on Jan 12, 2008 20:43:20 GMT 8
Welcome to Mathew Sylvester from PMA. Good to see you here. Colin
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Post by Richard Bentley on Jun 8, 2018 15:29:46 GMT 8
I noticed that Bruce Ogle has been mentioned several times on this page. Although I only meet him once, during his last seminar "the Final Cut" I still am in contact with him. In fact I just spoke with him (via facebook) a few hours ago. I am a long time student of Kali from one of Bruce's students James. Although it is not my main focus it has a profound influence on my martial arts. I began training at the age of 12 (1979) with Karate and in late 80's early 90's I found James and Kali, which I still enjoy to this day. My early focus was solely on Kali but found MMA and BJJ in the mid 90's and began training. Maintained that training until the early mid 2000's when I found Aikido and Aikido has been my main focus ever since. I truly have a blend of all from Kali, BJJ, MMA and Aikido but my outward focus is on my Aiki. I did spend a year or so training in Ninjitsu but didn't desire to keep that up and my Aikido so I tucked the ninjitsu away, were it still sits. As well my very early time with Karate (Matsumura Sho Rin Ryu) didn't sit well with my ambitions of finding an effective, true combat martial art. In fact Kali was the first time I ever found a martial art I saw as real, effective and practical.
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