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Post by Colin Wee on Nov 12, 2005 21:47:59 GMT 8
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Post by wmioch on Nov 15, 2005 20:22:21 GMT 8
Tekki kata is (presently) on my Shodan syllabus. I am a little familiar with it, and I have learnt a version of Naihanchi.
Could you describe an overview of what your version is like Colin?
Bill
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Post by Colin Wee on Nov 16, 2005 9:44:07 GMT 8
Unlike the few variations I see from our version of Bassai, Chulgi seems much more similar to the Shotokan version: bend knees, cross open hands, step right, open hand strike/foot stomp, elbow, cup&saucer, low block to left, punch across body, step left, backfist & footstomp ...
The following has a slight variation from normal shotokan. The left hand does a grab from under the right elbow, pulls back into a fold for the hammerfist strike, then does the hammerfist strike whilst previous backfist covers horizonatally. Left foot is folded into the knee and sent out into horse stance, middle outer block with blade of forearm. Right foot is folded into knee and sent out into horse stance, middle outer block with blade of forearm. Cup & saucer, double punch to the left.
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Post by supergroup7 on Nov 16, 2005 20:00:43 GMT 8
I adore this kata! It flows like water when done properly.
Have you ever tried to link the three Tekki ( Naihanchi) kata together into one smooth form? I found that that is quite a mental exercise!
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Post by Colin Wee on Nov 23, 2005 17:36:39 GMT 8
No I've not tried to link the three kata for simple reason - we only learn one. The application exercise for this kata is as follows. Step one as the hands are folded straight is used as an eye strike. For instance if the suicidal samurai is attacking with sword coming down, you side step into the opponent and cross legs striking the eyes with left finger tips while right hand provides control to either guide the opponent's left hand downward or if the sword is already down, to control it there. The arms circle the opponent's arms, open palm to the back of the opponent's head and footstomp into horse stance. Elbow strike holding the head between right palm and left elbow. Both arms then go to the opponent's left elbow and forearm, holding it still - for the left lower block into the opponent's right hand, hopefully breaking it. The left is still holding on to the weapon hopefully. The right hand now slips past the opponent's elbow, grabbing a hold of the left hand. Cross step to the left, performing a small tenkan or circular push. The opponent should move with you or else gets his elbow torn. The left knee then comes up to strike the arm or face (whichever is convenient) and when it slams down into the ground, the right hand uses the opponent's weapon or fist to strike the opponent's head. The left hand reaches down and under for the second sword, drawing it out, and smacking the hilt into the opponent's face. Left leg does an instep kick to the opponent's back leg, then we block left using sword/forearm. Then right instep kick to the front leg and block right with the sword or forearm. The right hand now goes past the opponent's wrist/hand to the main weapon. Grasping the weapon, the left hand brings the shorter sword a little downward, then across, cutting throught the tricep while right hand twists the main sword out of enemy's hands. Now you're left standing with two swords - main one in your right hand pointing backwards and shorter one pointing forwards in your left hand. Opponent has eye injury, facial fractures, broken right hand, destroyed knees and sliced triceps. Maybe a little of an overkill, but a good application exercise. Teach them to come at us with swords. Link Shotokan's Secrets www.beadifulthangz.com/phpnuke/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&p=365#365
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Post by Tim Schutte on Nov 28, 2005 3:56:46 GMT 8
Hi All,
The Isshinryu version is quite similar to the one depicted above, with minor differences.
We use a palm-up nukite (spearhand) instead of a punch as in position 7, then transition to a middle ridge-hand block instead of a closed fist as in position 8.
Also, we start Naihanchi to the left instead of the right, and our stances are shallower.
Tim
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Post by sifuwhite on Nov 28, 2005 11:54:03 GMT 8
I know a couple of competitors that use Naihanchi and do well with it in the tournaments here in Indiana.
Very powerful form
Tim W
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Post by Colin Wee on Nov 28, 2005 12:20:56 GMT 8
Hi All, The Isshinryu version is quite similar to the one depicted above, with minor differences. Yes, I understand that Chotoku Kyan Sensei (Funakoshi Sensei's contemporary) reverted to many of the pre-shuri katas he had learned, and modified others to fit his new system. It is almost necessary to identify that when discussing similar forms - as bunkai and objectives of each may be totally different. Actually, you are the first Issinryu practitioner I've ever chatted with. Colin
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Post by sifuwhite on Nov 30, 2005 20:19:55 GMT 8
Is this form designed to fight someone in a narrow hall or on a wall like surface?
Tim W.
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Post by Colin Wee on Nov 30, 2005 21:07:41 GMT 8
Is this form designed to fight someone in a narrow hall or on a wall like surface? Tim W. According to Dr Bruce Clayton, it's supposed to be part of a bodyguarding skillset where you've got a principle behind you and you've got your back against the wall. There may be more than one other 'friendly' in front of you or you might have an enemy clutched to your chest. Therefore the strikes and defences only amount to the 'side to side' alignment that are apparent to this form. What else can you see? Colin
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Post by wmioch on Dec 1, 2005 9:00:57 GMT 8
If you want another popular probably-myth story about it...
It's designed that way because the peasants had to practice their art in secret. One of the places they could do this was in the fields when they were harvesting. Of course the crops were planted in straight lines, so the practices had to be up and down the lines.
I don't know how verifiable it is. Just a story.
Bill
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Post by sifuwhite on Dec 1, 2005 9:11:53 GMT 8
Bill, Thanks for the information.
Sifu White
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Post by Tim Schutte on Dec 2, 2005 7:03:37 GMT 8
If you want another popular probably-myth story about it... It's designed that way because the peasants had to practice their art in secret. One of the places they could do this was in the fields when they were harvesting. Of course the crops were planted in straight lines, so the practices had to be up and down the lines. I don't know how verifiable it is. Just a story. Bill
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Post by supergroup7 on Feb 3, 2006 4:00:11 GMT 8
No I've not tried to link the three kata for simple reason - we only learn one.
AH... o.k. Gotcha.. only Tekki Shodan discussion follows then. I'm still figuring out Heian Shodan (Pinan Sono Ichi), but I'll see what I can offer of any value.
Step one as the hands are folded straight is used as an eye strike. For instance if the suicidal samurai is attacking with sword coming down, you side step into the opponent and cross legs striking the eyes with left finger tips while right hand provides control to either guide the opponent's left hand downward or if the sword is already down, to control it there. The arms circule the opponent's arms, open palm to the back of the opponent's head and footstomp into horse stance. Elbow strike holding the head between right palm and left elbow. Both arms then go to the opponent's left elbow and forearm, holding it still - for the left lower block into the opponent's right hand, hopefully breaking it. The left is still holding on to the weapon hopefully. The right hand now slips past the opponent's elbow, grabbing a hold of the left hand.
I like seeing the kata from your eyes...It gives me more ways of looking at the same movements.
This is what I have learned about the first move of Tekki Shodan. I have not been officially taught all these things by my Sensei. The following is based on little things that I've understood, and captured from training. Tekki Shodan is all based on using deception of apparent weakness, slight of hand, and timing.
The yoi position is to bring your hands together in front of you with your arms in the same angle as a downblock, but with both hands in knife hand.. one on top of the other, knees very slightly bent, feet touching together.
The first move is to place your left foot strategically, and deceptively in the Cross-footed stance. This placement of feet will allow you to move swiftly into a side stance. You turn your head to see your half crazed Samurai opponent rushing at you. You appear weak to him, and unable to respond. However the truth is that you are totally contracted, and ready to explode in movement. You wait patiently for that moment in his attack where he is commited to the strike, then you explode with the open handed straight arm block knocking away the thrust. Your right knee comes up to protect your midline, AND to hide the oncoming elbow strike attack. Your right arm that just "block/attacked" deceptively snakes around your opponent, while your left arm gives him something to think about with that sudden elbow strike. This unbalances him, you secure his body against you (symbolized by the cup/saucer), and then throw him to the ground on the other side of you... the left hand downblock motion.
Please remember that I am just beginning to unravel the bunkai of our kata, my understanding of the moves is at a very low level of Shotokan, and I'm more than open to being corrected.
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Post by Colin Wee on Feb 18, 2006 19:26:16 GMT 8
We did a rather cool line drill based on the moves of Chulgi. You start in left forebalance with leading hand performing a vertical backfist to the nose and reverse hand covering across the body. Then you perform a foot sweep using front foot (which travels right), the arms move left to pull the opponent down. Then you do an instep strike to the knee with the back leg, with arms moving to the back and right, as you pull the opponent towards you. Finish off by moving forward and then forward backfist with right hand. Repeat.
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