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Post by wmioch on Nov 21, 2005 13:34:57 GMT 8
I thought it might help stimulate discussion if we listed the kata we know, so that we can find out which ones overlap.
Here are some of the ones that might be known and interesting to the rest of the world.
Yansu Kata Naihanchi Kata Chain of Rings (Luan Huan Chuan) Gekisai Dai Kata Tensho Kata Saifa Kata
Bill
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Post by Colin Wee on Nov 21, 2005 14:55:05 GMT 8
I know a bunch of Ninjado kata. I haven't practiced them in ages - so it may take a while to retrieve them.
I also learned the 13 hand slap chinese pattern. But never really practiced it for more than half a year.
I guess the stuff I learned in aikido can be called 'patterns' but I use them as techniques a lot of the time.
Colin
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Post by supergroup7 on Nov 21, 2005 22:06:52 GMT 8
I recognize those kata from my Kyokushin syllabus:
Yangsu kata Naihanchi Kata Gekisai Dai Kata Tensho Kata Saifa Kata
However, most of those are not in my Shotokan, except for Naihanchi Kata which is Tekki Shodan.
To my knowledge, many of the other martial arts style have something similar to:
Pinan sono Ichi, Ni, San, Yon, Go (Kyokushin) (Heian Shodan, Nidan, Sandan, Yondan, Godan (Shotokan))
Kanku Dai, Kanku Sho
Bassai Dai, Bassai Sho
From what I've seen.. Bassai Dai almost seems Universal.
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Post by rmclain on Nov 21, 2005 23:43:26 GMT 8
In Chayon-Ryu we preserve mostly karate and Chuan-fa forms as taught by Byung In Yoon at the Chang Moo Kwan in Korea. More info about Byung In Yoon: www.kimsookarate.com/intro/yoon.htmlWe preserve these forms, but additionally adopted the KTA(now WTF) yudansha forms (Koryo, Tae Baek, Jee Tae) and the Palgue forms into the curriculum. Below I will list the forms I know up to my level... karate forms Kibon Hyung 1-5 Pyung Ahn 1-5 Sypsoo Bassai Tae Bassai So Ahm Hak Chulki 1-3 No Hai Wan Shu Kong Son Kun Cha un (Jion) Bong Hyung 1-4 Chuan-fa forms Dan Kwon Doju San Hanson DaeRyon Chang Kwon Tai Jo Kwon So Ho Yon Taekwon Do forms Palgue 1-8 Koryo Tae Baek Jee Tae R. McLain
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Post by sifuwhite on Nov 22, 2005 2:11:09 GMT 8
I recognize those kata from my Kyokushin syllabus: Yangsu kata Naihanchi Kata Gekisai Dai Kata Tensho Kata Saifa Kata However, most of those are not in my Shotokan, except for Naihanchi Kata which is Tekki Shodan. To my knowledge, many of the other martial arts style have something similar to: Pinan sono Ichi, Ni, San, Yon, Go (Kyokushin) (Heian Shodan, Nidan, Sandan, Yondan, Godan (Shotokan)) Kanku Dai, Kanku Sho Bassai Dai, Bassai Sho From what I've seen.. Bassai Dai almost seems Universal. Not to sound over zealous or out spoken about katas, especially Japanse or Kempo Katas. However, I was judging forms for intermediate grade kids this past weekend and several of them did the Saifa kata. This form literally sucks. After the tournament I asked one fo the students who performed it to translate a couple of movements. He did not know the answer. Should be blame his instructor or should we blame the student. This kata moves so ackwardly that I was bored stiff watching it, and I like to judge and watch japanese/okinawan forms. Tim
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Post by Colin Wee on Nov 22, 2005 9:05:37 GMT 8
Not to sound over zealous or out spoken about katas, especially Japanse or Kempo Katas. However, I was judging forms for intermediate grade kids this past weekend and several of them did the Saifa kata. This form literally sucks. There's that word again! :-) Tim, I would love to hear how you approach judging forms. The forms you know and the forms you don't really know. What are the success factors? Where do people go wrong? Perhaps if you do, you should start another thread for this? Colin
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Post by wmioch on Nov 22, 2005 10:16:13 GMT 8
Also, I will start another thread for Saifa Kata. I happen to know two different versions from two different lineages, and it's my favourite kata. > rnclain: Can you "Japanise" the names of the karate forms? I'm sure some of them are probably known to us. Yes, those kata have come to me from Kyokushin through Seido to my last instructor to me. Although, I also remember Gekisai Dai Ichi and Ni and Saifa from my Goju Ryu training. I have learnt all five Pinan, but can hardly say that I know them at present. Bill
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Post by Colin Wee on Nov 22, 2005 10:35:52 GMT 8
In Chayon-Ryu we preserve mostly karate and Chuan-fa forms as taught by Byung In Yoon at the Chang Moo Kwan in Korea. Hey hey hey!!!!! Welcome aboard Robert Sensei! I must have missed your first post. Glad to see you contributing. Would you like to do an intro of yourself so everyone knows what else you do and the organisation you train with? I do bassai and chulgi. So at least there is some similarities to go on. I think John, the other BB training with my group has got to do several others on your list like Sipsoo and Jion. Cool! Would love to hear more about your approach to these forms. Colin
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Post by supergroup7 on Nov 22, 2005 22:24:42 GMT 8
Oh yes.. if it is possible.. please give the Japanese name also.. so that I may learn the relation between the kata, and grow in my understanding.
For example: Cha un (Jion) Now I understand how they interrelate.
Welcome Sensei Robert to the forum. I'm looking forward to reading your postings.
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Post by Colin Wee on Nov 22, 2005 22:38:54 GMT 8
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Post by rmclain on Nov 23, 2005 4:33:51 GMT 8
Hello everyone,
Yes, I'll be happy to give the Japanese/Okinawan names for those karate forms. I'll place the names to the right of the original.
karate forms
Kibon Hyung 1-5 - Kihon kata Originally there were 3 of these Kihon kata (means "basic form") and you will see these commonly in karate schools today. Kihon kata #4 & 5 in our system were created by Park Chul Hee (Kang Duk Won) in 1956.
Pyung Ahn 1-5 - Pinan (Okinawa), Heian (Japan) Sypsoo - Jut-te Bassai Tae - Passai Dai Bassai So - Passai Sho Ahm Hak - Chinto Chulki 1-3 - Naihanchi (Tekki) No Hai - Ro Hai Wan Shu - En Pei Kong Son Kun - Kusanku Cha un (Jion) Bong Hyung 1-4 - Bo Kata A little background on the Bo katas we practice: Bo Kata #1 was taught by Byung In Yoon, who learned it from his karate teacher, Kanken Toyama, in Japan. Bo kata #2 was developed by my teacher, Grandmaster Kim Soo. Bo kata #3 was created by Byung In Yoon, who founded the Chang Moo Kwan in Korea (1946). Bo kata #4 was created by Yoon, Ui-byung who was close friends and studied karate with Byung In Yoon in Japan. Yoon, Ui-byung later opened the Ji Do Kwan dojang in Korea following WWII.
R. McLain
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Post by sifuwhite on Mar 10, 2006 20:03:40 GMT 8
Wow, someone did their research. very interesting. Sifu White
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Post by mat on Jul 6, 2006 23:02:22 GMT 8
Very impressive!
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