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Post by supergroup7 on Apr 23, 2006 21:38:57 GMT 8
I would like to gather up some statistics for the next few months as to how many women train in martial arts compared to men. Once I have accumulated enough information, I'll post the results here on this thread.
Please answer the following questions:
Which style do you train in?
What country?
How many women are regularly training in your dojo at this moment as compared to men? ( To be counted, they must have a kyu rank.)
How many women in your dojo have a Dan level as compared to men?
How many women ( in your city, in your style of martial art) are Instructors as compared to men?
Thank you for assisting me in my curiousity.
Yours, Mireille
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Post by GM-Neal on Apr 24, 2006 6:53:25 GMT 8
Good Topic Mir,
Which style do you train in? Shaolin
What country? USA
How many women are regularly training in your Dojo at this moment as compared to men? ( To be counted, they must have a kyu rank.) I would say 10 to 1
How many women in your Dojo have a Dan level as compared to men? This i would say goes down a lot 20 to 1
How many women ( in your city, in your style of martial art) are Instructors as compared to men? out of about 24 Instructors i have only three (3) but those three are of a Master Rank at least a Go-Dan.
This is a Great Question That i look forward seeing the numbers my self, we all need more women involved in the Martial Arts and more making it to a Dan Rank. ;D
G, Neal
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Post by supergroup7 on Apr 24, 2006 9:02:30 GMT 8
I hope that it was o.k. that I placed this thread on 3 other forums. I'm hoping to get as diverse a grouping of information as possible.
I agree Grandmaster, I can't wait to get in alot of stats, and put it all into perspective. But I forecast that it will take some time to gather the information.
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Post by Colin Wee on Apr 24, 2006 19:48:01 GMT 8
I've posted my response on IAOMAS. Colin
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Post by supergroup7 on Apr 27, 2006 2:10:14 GMT 8
Yes, Colin.. I got your stats off of the IAOMAS forum. Thank you for your response.
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Post by supergroup7 on Apr 28, 2006 8:35:58 GMT 8
What a big bite of effort I have taken upon myself!!!
Oh but it's so enjoyable.. so it's not work.
It's almost like anticipating the revelation of a painting as I watch the numbers come in, and I see a pattern arise. Wow..
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Post by GM-Neal on Apr 29, 2006 9:31:50 GMT 8
Colin, I am a Member of IAOMAS, But i do not check in that much, could you copy and Paste your response here. Mir, has got my interest peaked.
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Post by Colin Wee on Apr 29, 2006 13:06:20 GMT 8
Colin's Post
Glen's Post
Tim's Post
Stuart's Post
Ray's Post
Karl's Post
John's Post
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Post by fluffy on Apr 29, 2006 23:38:48 GMT 8
I would like to gather up some statistics for the next few months as to how many women train in martial arts compared to men. Once I have accumulated enough information, I'll post the results here on this thread. Please answer the following questions: Which style do you train in? What country? How many women are regularly training in your dojo at this moment as compared to men? ( To be counted, they must have a kyu rank.) How many women in your dojo have a Dan level as compared to men? How many women ( in your city, in your style of martial art) are Instructors as compared to men? Thank you for assisting me in my curiousity. Yours, Mireille Which style do you train in? Hwa-Rang Taekwondo Federation, a spur from the American Taekwondo Association. We study the Chan Hun Ryu forms, self defence, basic one-steps, and point sparring. What country?Snohomish, Washington State, United States How many women are regularly training in your dojo at this moment as compared to men? ( To be counted, they must have a kyu rank.)I have 6 females and 15 Males How many women in your dojo have a Dan level as compared to men? We (Snohomish Taekwondo) have been open for 12 weeks, no one has earned a Dan yet.....but my wife who is the club manager has her 1st Dan. How many women ( in your city, in your style of martial art) are Instructors as compared to men? I know of 3 black belt instructors in our town.
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Post by supergroup7 on May 1, 2006 20:35:47 GMT 8
Thanks Fluffy for the information. I just need a little more information on your last answer. There are 3 women black belt instructors in your town.. but are they of your art? and if so.. how many men teach TKD in your town. (Just to compare the ratio.) My appreciation for helping out with the statistics.
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Post by fluffy on May 2, 2006 4:08:43 GMT 8
First woman is my Mom 4th Dan ATA TKD, owns a school
Second is also an ATA TKD instructor 5th Dan, owns a school
Third is a MMA but also has studied TKD (rank unknown)
You can also list my wife HTF TKD 1st Dan as an instructor for a total of 4 women instructors.
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Post by Colin Wee on May 2, 2006 13:42:59 GMT 8
First woman is my Mom 4th Dan ATA TKD, owns a school That is WAY COOL!!!!! Colin
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Post by supergroup7 on May 5, 2006 3:45:35 GMT 8
Your wife, and mom are both Black belt Instructors.. awesome! You are surrounded by women who have gone past the odds, and statistics.
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Post by supergroup7 on May 5, 2006 3:53:21 GMT 8
The results of my informal survey comparing Women to Men in the Martial arts. I received information from approximately 30 dojo, from 3 continents, North America ( U.S. and Canada), Europe ( England, Ireland, Scotland), and Australia. Many martial arts styles were represented in this survey: Shotokan made up about 1/ 4 of the responses. The next largest response came from Tae Kwon do, and then I placed all the other martial arts into a united category. I did not receive many responses from the grappling arts styles such as Judo/ Aikido... so I was unable to make a comparison in hard/ soft styles. First question: 1. How many women train in your dojo of Kyu rank compared to men? The overall results from this survey shows that an average dojo will have close to 45% of women compared to men. The New York City-based research firm Simmons Market Research did a survey in America which received a result that 48% women train in martial arts compared to men. Therefore my little survey results are quite close to the official one. Simmons Market Research also found out that “ for the most part, participants are young. Sixty-three percent are between 18 and 34, compared with 25 percent who are between 35 and 49 and 11 percent who are 50 or older. “ ** I did learn something interesting when I looked at the various Martial arts styles: Overall 45% which translates to about 1 woman to 2 men. Shotokan 77% which translates to about 3 women to 4 men. Tae Kwon Do 48% very much meeting the overall average. Other arts 26% which translates to about 1 woman to 4 men. Women in North America participate at 51%, while European women are at 37%, and Australian women at 34%. 2. How many women in your dojo are of Dan level? Overall only 26% of women training in martial arts will achieve Black belt. A lady has a higher chance to achieve Shodan in Shotokan: Overall 26% Shotokan 46% Other 27% Tae Kwon Do 4% According to the numbers that came in the European women ( 34%) achieve Black belt more than North American (30%) or Australian ( 5%). 3. How many Black Belt women are Instructors? Overall 22% Shotokan 40% Other 17% Tae Kwon Do 0.5% Again, European women become Instructiors at a higher ratio ( 43%) than North America ( 22%) or Australia ( 10%) So, according to the above results, the best place for a woman to be if she wants to become a Sensei is training in Shotokan in Europe, and the worst place would be training in Australia in Tae Kwon Do.. I’ve had various Sensei estimate from their experiences that out of 100 new white belts only 1 will achieve Shodan rank level. If I applied the information that I’ve unearthed through this survey, that would mean that (overall) out of 400 new white belt women, only 1 will achieve Black belt. This informal survey did not have a large data base to draw from, so I would caution anyone from quoting the information contained within it. It was just a fun project. This information is being cross-posted onto a couple of forums by myself. ** quote from www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m4021/is_4_25/ai_100751497
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Post by Colin Wee on May 5, 2006 11:54:25 GMT 8
So, according to the above results, the best place for a woman to be if she wants to become a Sensei is training in Shotokan in Europe, and the worst place would be training in Australia in Tae Kwon Do.. I myself have been working on surveys for professional usage. If you wanted to improve on your survey/testing approach, you should use objective non-emotive terms. For instance, for the issue of probability of success you might be better to craft the sentence ... "So, according to the above results, the most likely place for a female practitioner to reach instructor level is in Europe, and the least likely place would in Australia." Good survey! Colin
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